"Now you feel your body get up, but I know I don't get up. It is the body that gets up and sits down. This you must know — not just think of it, but feel and experience it."

Someone spoke of an experience of that sort, and Baba explained: But that is transitory, it comes and goes. To know means permanent knowledge. Once you know, you know for good. That is Knowledge. Now you know you are a woman. If the whole world tells you that you are not a woman, you won't believe it. You are certain about it. So, when you know you are God, nothing can shake that Knowledge. That is real Knowledge."

"There are many on the Path who become self-deluded and think they have reached the goal — and say, 'I am God'. They are not charlatans, but self-deluded. They believe it genuinely, but when the time comes, it goes. Then they perceive it was a delusion. This is called Mukama-Fasana i.e., 'The abode of Delusion'. "

Talk at Manzil Bungalow, Nasik, January 18, 1937

After a silence, Baba opened the subject: "It is so easy for you to love those whom you love, but to love those whom you hate, that is something! By loving, I mean not merely being kind. Does any of you think it possible to love those whom you don't like? It will come."

Then Baba asked everyone in turn. "Does any one of you, when meditating, sleep?" Some said, Yes. Thereupon Baba asked, "But you repeat 'Baba'?"

Baba thereafter explained what the Goal is:

"The Goal is: That the mind has to go entirely and the self to remain with full consciousness.

"The mind has to have itself as the medium for disappearing. It is very important, so listen carefully and try to understand. As long as mind exists, the ego exists. Self, as it were, does not exist. The mind has to go, and then Self asserts itself. Mind has to make itself the medium for this disappearance. That is why it is impossible for the mind to go. It is like the eye trying to see itself without a mirror. Clear, so far?

"Now, the mind tries to go by meditation. The moment it is on the point of going, the consciousness goes too. The mind tries to be calm, having the rhythm of Baba, and forgets everything. But the moment it wants to go, consciousness goes, or mind goes into a trance (Samadhi). Samadhi is a blissful state. But as soon as Samadhi is finished, the old, 'normal ' consciousness comes back. Self does not assert itself. What has to happen is — the mind must go; and consciousness must remain. The self sees Self (I am everywhere). But it is impossible. It needs Baba.

"Yogis go into Samadhi for years. The heart stops, pulse stops, beards grow, and so on. But although they are in the ecstatic state, (a sort of peaceful trance state), they see nothing, but the moment they come back, they are ordinary, 'normal' again. It is just like an opium addict. While a little bit remains of this Samadhi state, it encourages one. But there is certain danger of the mind craving for that, just like a drug. What we want, for spiritual growth, is no drug business, but continual consciousness of the Self being Infinite.

"So now, what tells you you are 'Norina', or 'Garrett', is your mind, not your Self. Your Self apparently does not now exist. Your limited mind tells you, 'you are limited'. But when Self tells you, it says, 'you are unlimited.' When mind goes and you are conscious, you then actually experience being unlimited — that is actual experience.

"Now, you think you are 'Delia.' Imagine you being everything — these pillars, walls, everything. You are, but you cannot understand. Why? Because mind is there.

"Realizing means — being fully awake in the sound-sleep state. That is Realization. In sound sleep, there is no mind, no consciousness. You don't see anything — not even dreams of the subconscious. You don't hear, you don't see, you don't feel. Self is there,