is God. Every thought of yours has its imprint on mind. There are impressions which bring you out from sleep. Thus, you daily awaken and go to sleep. Ages and ages have passed by but mind, energy and matter have remained, though as nothing. I will explain one day what mind is."

Baba asked Vinoo whether he knew Persian, to which he received a negative reply.

Baba: "Hafiz, the God-Realized Persian poet, says in one of his couplets, “The status of Love is so sublime that it can never be reached by mind!' And, with the help of mind, you try to reach that which is beyond mind! This is the difficulty. The Majzoob-e-Kamil, that is the Majzoob of the Seventh Plane of consciousness, has no mind. He is all merged and absorbed in God. With your physical eyes you see him eating, drinking, talking and walking. But the Majzoob is above mind. He is not conscious of mind, energy or body. When you sleep, you snore. But you are not aware of it. So with the actions of a Majzoob; he appears to eat and drink to those around him."

Baba continued, "Well, what is mind? Mind is the junction between the 'inner' and the 'outer,' between Reality and its shadow. If mind is annihilated, you experience infinity of the Reality."

Here Baba put a question to Vinoo: "You are seeing things in this room. Is it not so? But then who is seeing?"

Vinoo: "That I do not know."

Eruch: "Mind sees. Baba has said that it is the mind that sees and does not sleep* [sic], that eats and does not eat, that speaks and does not speak, that sleeps and does not sleep, etc. It is the mind that does everything."

Baba: "You are that One who does not see anything but only exists. As soon as you identify yourself with the mind, you are a person. If you do not, you are the Infinite." Baba further added: "Vinoo, why do you want to go to the length of satisfying others through reasoning? This is doing wrong to them."

Vinoo: "Baba, because they believe in the power of reasoning!"

Baba: "Why feed them with that which ought to die?"

Vinoo: "To help them to go beyond reasoning with the help of reason,"

Baba: "Help them to unlearn what they have learned"