The women were then called back to the meeting room. Due to a direct glare from a window just behind Baba, one of them complained that she could not see Baba clearly. Someone got up to set things right. Baba said, Who can 'see' Baba? If you really see Me, you will be finished (false self will no longer exist)."

Baba gave most of the explanations through gestures interpreted by Eruch in Gujarati, sometimes in Hindi or Marathi; occasionally in English.

Baba touched upon the subject of people studying Vedanta and Upanishads and confusing it with spiritual experiences. Baba said that in North India, particularly in Rishikesh and Hardwar, there is a regular bazaar of Sants and Mahatmas with their "disciples" of various sects and swamis who fight among themselves to entice seekers from one sect to another. But true spirituality is never to be found in all this. In California too there are Ashrams and Maths where lectures are given and yoga practices are encouraged. But this is not spirituality. Spirituality is something fundamentally different. Spirituality means dying to one's self and becoming absolutely insignificant as dust at the feet of the Perfect Master. To become as dust means to become as nothing. It means to "die" while continuing to live.

On the Path one has to 'die.' Love and Grace are needed on the Path. Love is a gift from God. It is given only when God is pleased with the lover. When it is given, the lover neither lives nor dies. He is like a fish out of water. He is immersed in a continual agony but the agony is such that he does not want to get rid of it! In his longing to be united with the Beloved, God, the lover loses everything of this world. Such lovers are called Mardan Khuda. In the whole world there are only 500 such Mardan Khuda. Hafiz says that out of a hundred thousand of them, barely one gets Self-Realization in many years. In a few instances, the lover by his self-effort comes to the First Plane. In very few instances a lover may come up even to the Sixth Plane by his self-efforts. Then just a glance from a Perfect Master on such a one gives him Realization. If a lover holds fast to the daaman of one of the Five Perfect Masters, the latter can give him Realization in a flash. It takes a split second to give him Realization, but it takes years, indeed ages, for one to hold on to the daaman. And it is no joke to hold on to a Perfect Master's daaman!